Do You Like to Fight?

Hyo Jin Moon June 17, 2007 Belvedere, 7:00 am

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Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC: All welcome Hyo Jin nim and offer a standing bow.

(Hyo Jin nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage.)

Good morning. (Good morning)

Do you like to fight? (No.)

Why do we fight? (To win, to dream)

To dream? Wow, that's cosmic!

There's a lot of fighting going on. Right?

It's sad and I'm sure that in your own ways, I don't know you individually, but I'm sure that you have to struggle and you have to fight. So, for life in general, dealing with people because you can't live alone. If you want to live alone, go live in a mountain and become a "hunter and gatherer." (Laughter) You're more than that so you fight.

That's one way to avoid fighting, just cut off all the world, and just find some, if there is a piece of land left over, where you can actually live that cave-man-like life. You can do that.

OK Having said that; why do we fight? What do we normally fight for?

Let's talk about physical things. Let's talk about possessions. What do you in physical things, within the limitations of physical things and possessions, the concept of possession, what do we fight for? (something better, home,. truth)

We're just talking about physical stuff here. I mean literally possession stuff. (control)

Authority, control, power, money, fame: They're just pure physical stuff.

What do you fight for on the next level, on an intellectual level? We fight an imbalance called what's fair, what's righteous and all that stuff, all that goody-goody stuff.

And what about the spirit?

Ok before we get to the spirit, let's just talk, let's dwell on this stuff for a little while. When you break down the physical self what are you actually trying to possess? Because it's about possession, what do you what to possess beyond the generalities that I said earlier about power and money? What does that give you? Why do you think that people pursue that stuff? Because they want comfort; they want pleasure; they want control; they want stuff like that.

They need to feel that kind of adoration. Adoration is very physical. You know what I'm saying? Why do you want to be adored? Why do you want people to like you? It's a physical thing. Unless you have a reason for it. If you do have a reason for it that is of the Divine it doesn't matter. Adoration doesn't become that physical in that temporal sense. It really doesn't matter. And you get fixated to that stuff.

How do you think any kind of addiction begins, whether you're addicted to what stuff ever here or there, sex, drugs whatever. How do you think it begins? It's because you're fixated to that stuff. That's it. All those things are very physical. The thing is that physical and spiritual have some kind of reflective quality, a reflection quality.

Physical stuff is very individual. Spiritual stuff, all those things, you can feel it with God. What you see when you look at yourself in the mirror is you, your reflection in opposite, however you should see God in it, not just you.

Stuff in the middle, that's the problem maker. That's why we fight, because we don't know how to control that reality. We don't even know how to see that reality in the order, in propriety, as God wants us to be. That's the difficult path, very difficult.

(Hyo Jin nim becomes very emotional with tears from this point to the end of the talk.)

You will struggle to the end of your days. Anybody who tells you otherwise... I won't see it. My children won't see it. My grand children won't see it; my great-grandchildren won't see it. It will take at least ten more generations. But you do certain things because you believe that you can do something about what you don't like, what you want to change because you think it's wrong. It's going to take time.