How Deep is Your Love?

Hyo Jin Moon January 22, 2006 Belvedere Transcription T. K.


How are you doing? Nice to see you.


Before I start, some people have a problem with my colorful words. My advice to you: stay home!!!


Having said that, I’ll try to make the choice of my words as dull as possible, can’t guarantee you of anything, but I’ll try.


You know today I came back from spending some time in Hawaii, and this is kind of a new start for me and I’m volunteering to do this and its important for me and, that’s why, might as well start with something general -- start with something big.


Let’s think about love, let’s talk about love, how deep is your love? You know I guess if you just talk to people in general and kind of observe how they use language, the word love, they use it in a very, I guess, on a secular level, they do use the word love a lot. "I love chocolate, I love Gucci, I love money, I would love to have all power, I’d love to have that position or this position, I’d love to spend just one night with that famous person."


And love gets used a lot, in a way, kind of secularly speaking, it’s used like a literary supplement to highlight or heighten your value and description of your needs and that’s pretty much what love has fallen, come down to. That’s how people use the word love in their lives. And just think about it, if that is the definition and description in which people in general in society, when we have to live gregariously constantly share with one another, then what is the true meaning of love?


Does the meaning of love end with the definition, the value that we at this point in time are comfortable with or accept? Or does it have some greater meaning? That’s why, I guess, people seek religion. Because something inside tells them, I don’t know maybe some inner voice, whatever.


Because you have to understand that in the individual self there is, like we all know principle teaching, there is spirit, mind and body. We have physical body, we have intellect, and we have spirit and self. And even in self, there is three stages. So we understand that because of Father’s teaching, but in the external world, in the secular world the understanding of even the simplest thing that we pursue, we hold valuable, because of what we understand, what we believe… what others believe is pretty foreign to us. We understand why they want those things, why they love those things, because, I guess, one time or another you loved those things too. When you want something more, that’s why you seek something greater, that’s why you try to understand God. And that’s a life long process, it’s never ending.


How do you understand the depths of love, you know? Because when you look at God’s way of love, many times you have to accept a lot of things that you don’t want to accept. You don’t want the definition or value of love to be something such as suffering… pain… misery. You have to be sadistic to like that kind of stuff. If you’re a prize fighter you can teach or train yourself to love pain, because that’s how you make a living.


But beyond that it’s very difficult to accept, because in many cases in the life of pursuing God’s course; or God’s ways; or God’s understanding; or learning about God’s definition of things in life -- is the opposite of what people consider love to be. Because, you know, I like chocolate too, but if you like chocolate too much you’re going to get fat. Money’s good, sure, you can buy a mansion, you can buy, not just one, buy ten of them, have them strewn all around the world and take time off and go to those places and choose something, try to conquer the world again and be the richest man on earth!


All those things maybe you like to talk about, you like to think about them at times, sure. There are many ways to go about, just if you don’t think about those things, maybe it’s because I haven’t learned about these things almost to the point of brainwashing ever since I was a boy. Maybe I can’t, you know it’s very difficult for me to part from it, just cut away from it, because I don’t want to go down in history as such and such and such, because that’s kind of engrained into me. There are ways to go about pursuing that kind of stuff, but if I do I’m going to go down in history, because of my lineage, what I belong to, is something that I can’t ever change.


Just because you change my children’s name from Moon to Hong doesn’t mean that they’ll forever be Hongs. People can do that, crazy people do that kind of stuff, without my permission they can burn my son’s body, they can deprive me of my last right to see my son, they can do that kind of stuff. And what happens after that?


I think about the consequences no matter how at times, how difficult for me it is to accept certain things. I have to think about those things because I believe how I came to accept that, that’s not the problem. The situation is that I believe it, that’s the problem. Because I accepted, I have to deal with that issue, because I believe in the consequences, that’s why I have to make and interpret things based on that direction and that’s why it is very difficult for me to try and go the opposite direction, I struggle with that.


I wish when you think about, you know, giving excuses and stuff you can rationalize things, yes I can do those kinds of things to, BUT WHY? What am I doing it to? Who am I doing it to? WHY? For what reason? It’s like forget you, don’t even talk about it at all… but that’s not important, that’s not important.


I’m here because I want to be here, not because it’s my duty, so I want you to make the best of it. I know what duty feels like, you know, I was there pretty much a long time, every Sunday, pretty much for eight years, but this is not something of that nature, it’s something different. And I feel that I have something to say and I’m going to do my best to do so.


So having said that how do you go about trying to understand God’s love? First I have to understand my parental love. If you want to go up -- everybody has someone above them. Right? Even Messiah has Father. So immediately that’s where I would start. That’s the first thing that you base yourself on and of course in life. You have bosses and stuff, subject and object relations, but let’s just be intimate and the best way you can start in general, that we all have, which is parental relationship with self. So that’s the fundamental kind of primeval subject and object relation that we can start with.


In order to understand your father, you have to understand yourself first. And there’s “Where’s my limit," "Where do I belong in this relationship?” Many people I see in the secular world like certain positions, and they’ll do anything to achieve… attain them. But many times just getting it is not the end of the story, it’s only half of the story. You have to fulfill the position, you have to understand the responsibility, you have to be accountable for the position, the demands of the position that you have just acquired by any means necessary. So even just having the position is not the end of the story. It’s just the beginning. So just start with yourself, don’t think about any other position that you’d like to achieve or attain. Think about yourself.