What Is Natural

Hyo Jin Moon May 13, 2007 7:00 am Belvedere, NY

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Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo Jin nim and offer a standing bow.

Hyo Jin nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage.

Good morning. (Good morning)

Why are you coming?

Is somebody putting a gun to your head? (Laughter)

What is natural?

When we think about things that are natural what do we expect from some things that are natural?

Let's say that God is a loving God, in His lovingness what do we naturally expect? (A child on the front row answers "an embracing feeling.")

An embracing feeling, you should come and speak. (Laughter)

OK. A loving God to you I guess is an embracing feeling. Ah you know you need to be embraced sometimes.

Even a stone person like me needs to be embraced too, if I can get it. (Laughter) It's good to be embraced.

What else do we expect from a loving God? What is natural?

Are there stages? If we think about God in a natural sense, the lovingness that we expect from him, on the level of physicality, what do we expect?

What do we expect on the intellectual level? What do we expect on a spiritual level? Because there will be some variations.

I'm sure that the requirements or expectations can vary according to individuals, but I'm sure that there is some universality, some general outline, and some constants. If there is a sine curve or if there is a waveform, they'll be something in constants that create that form, because without that principle, that concept is irrelevant, it doesn't exist.

The circle is nothing other than just one cycle of a wave, putting verticalness and pushing it together. Then you have a circle.

So that rolls on and on and on. That's why things move in that direction that gives life. And it's linear because we live in the physical world. I don't think that we're mature enough to understand spirituality. We're barely learning how to maintain and manage our body, our mind, and it will take a lifetime to get there.

And spirituality, to have a relationship with God, to make the relationship with God natural, it's going to take a long time. It will take eternity, but you have a chance because you believe in eternity. You believe that you have spirit.

Let's think about it: In spirituality, even just the conceptualness alone, in a sense, dictates faith, the simple thing, faith.

Faith without absolute is no faith, has no faith right? You must have absolute to have faith. So faith without absolute has no faith.

Why? Because if you don't embrace that faith concept, you can't understand that crazy stuff about the Christian tradition, the fall of mankind. It doesn't make any sense.

There is a limitation to the eternalness of God Right? Unconditional love of God, how do you describe the unconditional love of God? If there is no description, then what's the point to talking about unconditional love if you can't describe it?

It has a description so it has a condition.

So when you talk about naturalness, especially spirituality, the ultimate achievement for us is to have the relationship with God, that eternal relationship, something that will take our life to learn about, our body, and our mind, just to manage and maintain.